Email & Hunting Game

I had an email exchange with someone who mailed me after reading my blog. He mailed, I mailed back, and here are his responses to my mail:

Nubreed: Right before I left I learned how to have sex with girls on the beach. You probably need a wing, but you only need him to isolate the other girl during the other 10 minutes when you're banging.

PD: Very interesting. I've gamed on the beach and at the pool, but the O [name edited] and I don't know how to take things further. Where do you take them to have sex on the beach? Is this done at night or something?

NuBreed: BTW, here's a hunting game I used to play with my friends. You can teach [your friend]. When you go home, you have to have over 10 points. Scoring:

*10 pts: getting a girl's number
*8 pts: talking to a girl for a few min and asking for number (and not getting it)
*1 pt: making a serious attempt to talk to a girl, regardless of her reaction
*1 pt: passing a girl your business card or paper with number on it (because they only reply 10% of the time)
*-1 pt: just waving, saying "hi" only, or any other half ass attempt
*-1 pt: seeing a SINGLE girl walking slow or standing alone very open to be talked to and not talking to her

PD: Sounds cool. At the rate [my friend] gets numbers on the street I think he'd be in triple digits pretty fast.

It's funny because recently I came up with a pickup "Game" of my own. It was a lot more complicated and I'll be posting about it in the Pickup Lounge before posting the first FR. I'm sure it won't be everyone's cup of tea but I certainly had some fun with it and it definitely improved my game.

NuBreed: Did you like my little "PUA Quadrant?"

PD: I checked out your quadrant from your blog. Very interesting concept.

NuBreed: Situations like this is what I feel I was good at. I didn't have routines or kino (I NEVER touch them)

PD: Now this is really interesting. O is a bit of a fan of yours too and he'll be blown away when I tell him you NEVER touch them. In the past I've had a reputation as the "Iceman" because I never made any physical moves. O though, is the complete opposite. He says he has to hold himself back because he naturally wants to kino them. We ran into some problems using too much kino last time and I'll go into that in a later FR. Fascinating that you don't use it at all in the early stages.

NuBreed: I know the exact time the last trains come in, so by her location, dress, and walking direction, I can tell make an educated guess where she lives and where she's going! I simply walk up and say, "Hey, aren't you from Sakai?" If no, I say, "Oh, thought I saw you there, anyway....blah blah blah." But if I'm right, I'll just be like, "Yeah, my friend lives there. I swear I saw you at the station!" And there you go, I'm in. That's why the rating scale is so important too. Clothing is a window into their personality.

PD: This is hardcore and very impressive. I like the concept of cold-calling because it's so much more interesting than asking questions. I often say "You play basketball" or whatever, instead of "What sport do you play?" That way I'm either a psychic or they have to refute it. You're taking it a step even further with your knowledge of Osaka and their clothing etc. I'll have to work on this.

PD.

Are You a PUA, NuBreed?

Even when the pickup acronyms weren't outdated the majority of them seemed pretty childish to me; except the ones I made up myself. ;) The labeling thing seems stupid, but we all do it subconsciously when judging if guys are fit to be our friends. If I'm a dart-player and fisherman and you are too, then we'll get along. It's just that we don't call ourselves "DP" or "fisherman," rather, we say, "Hey, you like to fish too? Man, we should hang out sometime," and someday you fish together. "Are you a PUA?" sounds dumb, and I'd never say it, but we used to ask new guys we'd meet: "So, how are the ladies treating you?" Depending on their answers, we might have a beer with them sometime and afterward talk to a few girls. Same process but just doesn't sound as weird as "Are you a PUA and if so will you be my wing to sarge some sets?"

So although I don't like the label, if PUA means "guy who's devoted a certain period of his life to attempting to pick up increasingly hotter girls by continuing to study them," then I'm no exception to the PUAs in "The Game," just not as lame. Any way you slice it I am a guy who picks up girls. I didn't go to Japan to improve my lifestyle, learn which songs to sing at karaoke, or learn about fashion. I went to pick up hot, so I'd say I'm "certainly a PUA." And although I don't do it the way Mystery teaches I've never met anyone in Japan who does it Mystery's way who picks up girls any hotter than the average girls I got my first year or two in Japan. If pickup skill has three levels--3-good, 2-average, 1-bad--I and most of the guys I was/am friends with in Japan found themselves going from 2 to 3 at some point. I think the Mystery-style stuff is only good for helping someone go from 1 to 2, but those techniques can never move you past 3. You have to do that on your own. When I tried it I think I went from 3 back to 2. It's like riding a tricycle. Sure, the tricycle's easy to learn and will get you to the next neighborhood, but when you finally take the time to learn to ride a bicycle (i.e. study Jap, study women) you can go faster and further with less effort.

Japanese Cockblockers

I think I've experienced being cockblocked by Japanese guys on the street as much as anyone simply because I was always hunting in the vicinity of Japanese pick-up guy. I don't really have a highly successful way to deal with it, so if a golden rule is what you seek, skip this article! There is some insight about the situation and thoughts about what to do about it.

Japanese Guys Doing Pickup

When I learned pickup I didn't read books by American gurus, I watched Japanese nampa guys. Here are a few types:

• 1) Some are good - so good that you rarely notice them--they don't look like they're hunting
• 2) Some are direct - they come up from behind and throw out a barrage of questions, often with their wing's mouth moving just as fast
• 3) And some are shy - they'll sit with their 10 buddies and push each other for 5-10 minutes to go to talk to one seated girl. Then after he starts talking they all jump out and attack her

How Japanese Guys Cockblock You & What To Do About It

1. Good Nampa Guys
The good nampa guys will likely not do anything when you're talking to a girl. They don't fit in the category of cockblocking. They can't, because they're nice guys. If they do, I'm automatically switching them to type 2 or 3, because, for that time anyway, they are being very direct and/or shy pussies.

2a. The Direct Guys
These guys can be stereotyped as hosts, although some aren't. These guys have really hurt me over the years. They are not shy and they are always warmed up. They talk to girls for a living. You can of course tell hosts by their clothes and with a little observation you can tell the daily nampa guys too by their clothes and demeanor. They aren't what you'd call respectable-looking. Girls who talk to gaijin (that is, nearly every girl we've ever talked to) will 80-90% of the time say they don't like these guys. My theory is that they like these guys but since they can't get the handsome ones they've convinced themselves to hate them.

These direct guys hurt you by simply walking right up and talking to the girl while you're there. The main line they use is, "Why are you talking to a foreigner" or something similar to make the girl feel inadequate for talking to gaijin. You really need to be prepared to get out of this one. One that really does work is to play dumb like this and say to the girl: "Hey? Do you know him too? Wow, that's funny, you saw me (your brother's friend, etc) and now you see this guy...." and if you continue talking longer he'll assume that you know her and leave you alone. If someone interrupts you might say that the girl is your student, and he might disappear. If you have to comment on the gaijin issue it has to be a comment that makes her feel it's cool to talk to gaijin. Actually that's not your goal, it doesn't matter how she feels, it matters how he thinks she feels! If he really thinks she wants to be talking to you he's gone. If she doesn't feel that it's cool to talk to you and if he is still standing there she'll stop talking to you out of embarrassment. So the key is to make him think that you're not picking her up.

Another thing I think that would work is a lot of the Pickup community AMOG tactics a lot of foreigners use on other gaijin in the bars. I'm not too familiar with them but know a few. When the hostboy comes up you can say to the girl, "Oooohh, he's cute! You told me that you like hosts, right?" Then, at that point, "gaijin" isn't the word that's embarrassing, it's "host." And if she feels embarrassed about that she might take a step away from him and he might leave. My main defense has always been to speak loudly and quickly to show the guy that she's actively involved in a conversation, in Japanese, she's focused on me, and that you aren't in our circle. I'd say this defers a good number of cockblock attempts before they begin, but not all especially:

2b. Direct Nampa from Vehicles
A huge problem I've had is with the guys who drive around in their painted vans hunting girls out the window. The have really, REALLY hurt me over the years. The girls sometimes go up to the car and talk to the guys while you're standing there looking like a dummy. I don't know how to deal with this. Even if the girls don't talk to the guys, just their presence is enough to make girls lose interest. Tip: if you notice these guys driving by looking at you and the girls, know that they will go around the block and be back again! Move the girls off of the road and preferably, out of sight!

Tip: these guys will show up only upon first talking to girls. If they see you first go up and hunt the girls and see that the girls stop to talk to your insignificant gaijin monkey butt then they think the girls are easy targets. These direct guys will never sit around watching for 5 minutes before they go cockblock you, that would make them type 3.

3. Shy Guys
Some guys will sit around a location where there are several girls sitting. I'm thinking HEP5 in Osaka. The girls sit, the guys sit. You can watch the guys watching the girls. They don't notice you yet, other than just a gaijin on vacation or something. You can sit and watch them for 10 minutes or more and if they haven't already they never go talk to the girls they are looking at. However, when you decide to go talk to the girls, BAM! They are right there within seconds! I've seen this and theorized with my friend Amanojack about this. We couldn't put two and two together, but we did conclude this: these guys will sit and stare at the girl until the girls leave. If Japanese hosts or nampa guys nampa them they won't budge. The only time they will move if is a gaijin talks to them. It's baffling to me. I would assume that if some drunk old men or loser guys came up to talk to the girls that the shy guys would also move in for the kill at this time thinking 'If the girls talk to those losers/old men/foreigners they'll talk to us!' A case of feeling insufficient, huh?

About solutions, here it's a bit harder because you don't have to get rid of just one guy, you have to get rid of all of them! They know you don't know her too because they've been sitting there stalking her for the past 10 minutes. If you read the above you would have seen how they always push their friend to go for it and after he talks the rest of the guys attack on cockblock each other. Well, you've just become the first friend and I have no clue what to do about this! You can try the solutions above, but you have to convince several guys instead of just one. Tough! 頑張れ、コンパドレー！